Thursday, March 13, 2008

Lost = sad

I always cry over babies and lost loves.

But did you notice that there were three dates on that tombstone? Sun's was on the left (born 1980, no died date) and Jin's was on the right (born 1974, died 9/22/2004). After some discussion with Eric, we determined it must have been put up by Sun after she got off the island, and they said Jin died in the crash to keep up with the story of only 8 survivors that Jack told in court.

So here's my dorky Ob/Gyn take on it:
According to Lostpedia (thank goodness someone is keeping a timeline!), the plane crashed on 9/22, and it is now 12/27 or 12/28. Sun and Jin were definitely not sleeping together the first few weeks, and it's pretty clear (from the online recaps) they reconciled on 11/4, before Jin leaves on the raft. On 11/20, Sun finds out she's pregnant. That fits pretty well with my ACOG pregnancy wheel -- a conception on 11/4 would make her at 4 weeks and 1 day on 11/20, and she would have missed a period, and that would make her in the middle of the 9th week on "today," 12/28. (If you're counting along, the embryo would be 7 weeks old, but pregnancies are tallied from the first day of the last menstrual period, not from the date of conception, because traditionally it was easier to identify the LMP than the date of conception. So a full-term pregnancy is 40 weeks, but the fetus is 38 weeks old.) So her true due date is July 28, 2005.

But, if Jin died in the crash, then Sun would had to have been pregnant on 9/22 already, before he died. Even if they had joined the mile-high club and conceived on the flight, her due date would have been June 15, so a July 28 delivery would make that baby a whopping 6 weeks late. That would be a huge red flag, and pretty much anyone who knew the story of the Oceanic Six would have been able to figure that out -- don't you think part of Sun's story would be that she was pregnant when the plane crashed? Don't you think the media would have been clamboring for some baby photos in mid-June? The other alternative is that Sun did deliver on June 15, with her physician thinking she was full-term but with Sun knowing that she's really only at 34 weeks. That's preemie, people. Which maybe would account for the fetal stress the physician was talking about, I guess. But the other problem with that is that pediatricians can date babies pretty darn accurately in the first 24 hours, and it's done routinely, so the pediatrician is going to take one look at the baby and realize it's a 34-weeker, not a full-term baby. So someone besides me is going to figure out there's a problem!

I guess the other scenario is that Jin died, and then Sun slept with someone else on 11/4, giving her a term delivery at the end of July. I seriously want to know -- I can't imagine that the Lost writers are going to let that detail slip through, when they were detail-oriented enough to make the date of conception (11/4) match the date of pregnancy discovery (11/20) and match "today's" date of being in the 9th week, coming up on her second trimester just like Juliet said. Argh!

I know, I know, I'm a big fat dork.

5 comments:

PCJ said...

Hmmm, interesting.

What if it's not actually Jin's baby?

What if Juliet was lying to Sun for some reason when she dated the ultrasound, and the baby actually was conceived in mid-September with her English tutor man? That puts her right there with a mid-June delivery.

The only thing with that is I can't figure out why Juliet would be so fiercely and brutally adamant that Sun get off the island. Also, why would Juliet lie (the only plausible theory there is that she would've wanted to prove to Ben that she'd fixed the problem-- "Look, Sun conceived on-island and I fixed her with this drug! I'll give you a bunch of it if you send me home." But Ben would see through that, I imagine.)

Good question...

Holly Cummings said...

The only problem with a mid-September conception from English tutor man is that she would have been in her 10th week on 11/20 when she took the pregnancy test, and you would think she would have realized she was pregnant earlier than that. Although, maybe not -- most women can explain away 1 missed period, especially if you had all the stress of crash landing on a remote island and your life is danger. That would be enough for your hypothalamus to kick in and prevent menstruation for a month, I'm sure! So then she wouldn't have thought to have taken a pregnancy test until after a second missed pregnancy. But it would also be unusual for her to truly be at 15 weeks at the end of December and just be getting over her morning sickness, no? It's more plausible that she's in her 9th week and the morning sickness is starting to die down a bit.

If Juliet lied, and Sun actually conceived in mid-September, then in this week's episode she's already into her 15th week, at least, putting her at the 2nd trimester sickness Juliet was so concerned about. So if Juliet is truly concerned about second trimester deaths, but lied, then Sun is about to die, so why bother trying to convince Sun to get off the island now if the inevitable has already set it? I don't think Juliet is completely trustworthy, but I don't know what to think about that thought.

I just rechecked Lostpedia, and some are saying that the estimated DOC is 10/26, based on the episode "DOC", where Juliet gives Sun the ultrasound. That's only 9 days off from my date of 11/4, based on when Jin and Sun stopped fighting.

Also, the stuff I posted on Lostpedia the other night regarding this potential date/baby daddy discrepancy has been deleted. I guess no one else thinks it's an issue (well, not true; someone posted that maybe it's late June and Sun took pills to bring labor on early to cover up the date discrepancy, and that's why she was packing her toothpaste into a toiletry bag because she knew she was going to the hospital).

Also, people who can read Korean have determined that at the end, after she gets out of the hospital, when she removes her ring from the bag, it is labeled with a similar, but not same name. So maybe she has changed her name?

Bottom line: I need to stop reading Lostpedia. As well as contributing to it.

BookBabe said...

Okay, how about this thought? You know how time is somehow manipulated when you leave the island (like when Desmond and Said helicoptered to the ship)? So who's to say that there wouldn't have been some kind of time warp that involves weeks, not just hours? Just wondering if we can't just explain things with the idea that time has been somehow modified.

Holly Cummings said...

That's right, time passes more quickly on the island (by 31 minutes) than it does in the rest of the world... So if Sun spent an entire pregnancy on the island, (40wks*7days/wk = 280 days), and (280 days * 23.5 hrs/day = 6580 hrs for an island pregnancy) and using the same math, an off-island pregnancy = 6720 hrs, which amounts to a difference of about 6 days, which isn't really enough of a difference to make a difference.

However, Lostpedia also suggests that it is the perception of time that is different on the island, not the actual time (Daniel says this when Jack and Juliet are concerned they haven't heard from the helicopter). Time has to be constant. But Einstein showed that the perception of time can be different, and that's what happened with the two timers: the timer that came from the freighter went through some sort of space/time electromagnetic warp thingy that made the freighter timer experience a longer time than the island timer did. In which case, there should be no time difference between the island and the world, only when you are traveling between them. I actually don't really know what any of that means, so never mind. A time disconnection could certainly explain away the delivery date discrepancy.

There I go reading Lostpedia again...

BookBabe said...

Shoot! Thought I'd figured it out! And thanks for introducing me to the timesuck that is Lostpedia!